Lack of Patient Information on Life-Changing Surgeries

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Monsieur Le President
Apr 15, 2009 7:23 am
I find it totally amazing that there sem to be a number of people who have undergone this life changing surgery,almost certainly following severe bouts of horrific illness, and have not had everything explained to them by their surgeon.

My surgery was 35 years ago and I was fully put in the picture by Mr David Pratt in Leeds Chapel Allerton within the NHS.

It would seem from these stories that the US may not be the best place to suffer UC or Crohns, unless you have plenty of Medical Insurance.

Will Obama change things ?
Past Member
Apr 15, 2009 4:01 pm
well, i am not a big fan of socialized healthcare. but yes obama will try to socialize it as he is trying to socialize everything. might not work here in the usa as we have a constituion which limits{or is supposed to} govt encroachment into the private sector. i hope you will not take offence as none is intended. the problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other folks`s money.
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Mike
Apr 16, 2009 4:54 am
Incase you Hadnt looked socalisum is here
Monsieur Le President
Apr 16, 2009 7:02 am
Run out of other folks money ?



Like the banks, or Madoff or Stamford ?
sweede
Apr 16, 2009 9:04 am

Gosh, this post is getting a little political, huh? Yipeeee, lol. So, I guess I shall just have to add my 2 bits worth on this one, hehe.

Obama has absolutely no intention of introducing free healthcare for all, and I'm afraid it has nothing to do with the misleading catchphrase "socialized healthcare," and more to do with the fact that many of the largest contributors to both Obama's and McCain's campaign trail, coincidentally enough, happen to be some of the largest biotech/pharmaceutical companies on the planet.

In my opinion, on hearing of all the huge multinational companies that your new administration has given government bailouts to, and on checking the list of major contributors to Obama's political campaign, it is surprising to see how closely matched the two lists are.

Further to this, if Obama had any intention of giving free healthcare for all, then he wouldn't be sending more troops to Afghanistan to secure the world's opium supply.

The very same world opium supply that, when the Taliban came into power on the 9th of September 2001, after defeating the American-backed Bin Laden-run Mujahideen, declared illegal and incidentally would have wiped 90% of the world's opium supply overnight.

Yep, that's right folks, whether you believe it or not, I'm afraid it is true. The fact that if the Taliban wiped out the world's supply of opium overnight meant all these pharmaceutical companies would go bust. They have given the government HUGE amounts of money to go in there and resecure it. And I'm sorry to say this, but this is the reason that not in a million years would Obama "socialize" the healthcare system in America. Too much profit to be made in privatization/forcing open free markets for the big guns, I'm afraid.

"Socialized healthcare," what does that actually mean to you guys? The whole of Europe has free healthcare for all; does that mean we are all communists or something? What are your taxes actually paying for? How many millions of people and their kids can't even get access to the most basic healthcare in your country, and compare that to all of the many millions of people and their kids in Europe who have free healthcare as a basic right.

I think when one is dying in the street, relying on food stamps and charity handouts, this mythical catchphrase called "socialized healthcare" just doesn't cut the mustard, I'm afraid.

Don't get me wrong, Obama is the best thing to ever happen to your country, as I am sure he will iron out some of the injustices that are going on over there at the moment, but free healthcare for all isn't one of them.

I hope I haven't offended those of you who actually believe what the mainstream government-backed media tell you to believe.

P.S. Here in the U.K., we get our ostomy supplies free as a basic right, which everybody embraces. It doesn't mean we are socialists, communists, or any other so-called politically influenced brand names that are used as an excuse for denying our right to basic healthcare.

 

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Past Member
Apr 16, 2009 11:54 am
you asked for my opinion and i gave it, sorry it wasnt what you wanted to hear.

i {and many others} have managed to survive 51 years without "free" healthcare, or rent, food, ect.  i do not require or desire the government to keep me alive, fed, clothed...ect.

you may suckle at the government teat all you want....i will make my own way, thats what men do. surely you can understand such a basic concept........world politics do not change this most basic of human instincts.....to provide for ones self.  no offence is intended.



"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands of those who feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you. May posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams
sweede
Apr 16, 2009 1:59 pm
Hi Super Hero, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that my opinion was directed at you personally; that was certainly not the intention, nor to cause controversy. And as far as I was taught, Samuel Adams promoted freedom and basic rights for all, not just for those who could afford it. Lol.



I think it is excellent that you have managed to survive 51 years without the basic rights that citizens deserve. Unfortunately, there are many who are not as fortunate or as strongly independent as you appear to be.



The fact cannot be denied that there are millions of people in the U.S.A. who thought their private healthcare would be covered by their medical insurance, but due to the dastardly actions of the insurance companies and their policy of giving bonuses to their reps if they can find technical excuses for rejecting medical claims for basically ridiculous reasons, is nothing short of criminal. It places once strong-minded people the same as yourself into a life of crippling debt.



They are now too ill to work, unable to pay their rent/bills/medical fees, and care for their children's basic needs in life. This is criminal, and this is where free healthcare for all comes into its own.



Are you implying that the whole of Europe suckles from the teat of their governments? Do you feel we should pay our taxes all our life to the government and get nothing in return, and be forced to hand over our national healthcare to corrupt multinational pharmaceutical companies for profit? Democracy, after all, is a "socialist" ideal that is supposed to represent the will of the population, not purely to line the pockets of the rich.



It is not in the interest of our nation to have the tragic situations that we see in the states happening within our shores. We don't suckle off the government as you put it; every citizen pays a mandatory national insurance in order for these services to be freely available to them should the need to use the services arise. The national health service and our welfare system are two entirely different institutions.



It agonizes me that many people in the states have to face the option of either shitting or feeding their children. I know this for a fact as I send monthly ostomy aid packages to people in the states that have to make that choice. This shouldn't be the case, but sadly it is.









It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. -- Samuel Adams
Past Member
Apr 16, 2009 2:57 pm
sweede, i think this is going to be a culture difference that i cannot explain. i hold no ill feelings toward you. lets move on to something productive.

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sweede
Apr 16, 2009 3:59 pm
Lol, the feeling is definately mutual Super Hero, no ill feeling intended my friend.



I do enjoy the odd political depate, as i'm sure you do also, folks that can hold there own in a debate of any topic, get my unreserved respect, no matter what the differences are. I do hope we can hold debates like this in the future without it feeling like it is a personal slur on the views and rights of others.



Take care my friend, for you have increased the respect i already have for you, for you actually give a s**t about the state of the onion lol.
Monsieur Le President
Apr 16, 2009 4:52 pm
Excellent.

Bit of passion from both sides of the Atlantic ( and the arguement).

I just wonder :

You are 20 years old, and you and your family have no money. You develop UC. What happens ?

You need Steroids, Hospital treatment, blood transfusions, a major operation. What happens ?

You need ileostomy equipment for the rest of your life. What happens ?
weewee
Apr 18, 2009 7:47 am
to respond to what you asked what happens you lose everything i am 41 and the doctor controls ur life and wont back it up cause they dont want a law suite or held lieable to help u gain access for help which i am going thru right now i got told since i am not 65, blind ,disabled, i dont qualify for any help and to find a job in a different field you are not trained for and find an employer that will deal with your complacations since you have two arms two legs and have to find a part time job that fallows under an income so welcome to the great world of americans getting screwed by a new president that is as worthless as the rest since we had 40 others that couldnt straighten out their own shoe laces why not have another one to lie to you the government is as worthless as the paper its printed on
Past Member
Apr 18, 2009 12:37 pm
sir, have you spoken to your church,friends,neighbors, employer??? its amazing the people that helped me without my asking back when i was recovering from surgery. i`m sure it helped i was in a small town where everyone knew me. still, these are people on whom you can rely....you have already seen what you can expect from the government. the govt is not interested in helping those who cant work....only those who wont work. the system is corrupt to the core...heaven help us if these people get control of our "health care".

where are you located??? pm me