Recovery Tips After Proctectomy and Ileostomy Concerns

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Anne_Shirley
Nov 27, 2024 7:14 pm

Hello Everyone, I’m back after my proctectomy/end ileostomy. The procedure was 11/18, so I’m still very sore and tired. 
My surgeon removed my rectum and anus, and fully stitched the wound closed. 
I’ve had a heck of a week. Day 4 at the hospital, the stoma nurse noted an infection at my stoma, but the doctor didn’t believe it. No antibiotics for me!

The day I was discharged, I ended up at Beth Israel in Boston, for the infection. They’ve since given me antibiotics and I assume I’m on the mend.

I wonder, how long before I don’t need to worry about tearing the stitches? My stoma nurse says another 4 weeks, but other sites are saying upwards of 6 months for that to not be a concern. I am terrified of them ripping and having to have another surgery on my bum. Idk if my body can handle it right now.

Also, my stoma is barely above the skin surface, and some stitches have loosened. Which also makes me quite nervous. Right now, I have a deep convex appliance on, where they’re trying to draw the stoma out more before it heals. The belt sucks, and I worry that as I’m sleeping, the belt is pulling the bag places it shouldn’t.

Does anyone also have tips for sleeping? They’re telling me not to sleep on my back due to pressure but I feel less pressure laying on my back.

I wish I felt good, but I know it will be a while for that.

Thanks in advance. I’m still in pain medicine so if I need to clarify, please let me know.

SusanT
Nov 27, 2024 8:33 pm

I'm sorry you are going through this. The surgery is hard enough without complications.

I wish I had some advice for you, but my surgery was different. I'm more concerned about how bad you are feeling. Do you have a home health nurse or anyone checking on you at home?

I became quite sick after getting home from the hospital and ended up being readmitted. You should be getting a little better every day. If you are declining or getting worse, you need to be seen by your doctor or in an emergency room.

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AlexT
Nov 27, 2024 8:33 pm

I slept on my back while healing and still do. The thing you don’t wanna do is sit putting direct pressure on your stitched area. Hopefully you got dissolvable stitches and not ones that have to be removed. Otherwise, healing fully takes time. You’ll start moving more and more, the soreness will go away, and you’ll eventually be back to your new normal. There’s no exact amount of time as each individual heals at their own pace. Getting up and walking is about the best thing for you. Lots of protein to help the wounds heal. 

imsafanwa
Nov 27, 2024 10:34 pm

Please be very very careful. I lost the rectum/anus and half the colon due to cancer. Chemo / Rad slowed healing for me but it was several months until the wound care nurses said I was good to go. The stoma became the new normal pretty quickly but those ass stitches were a pain.

I sleep in a recliner these days. Try to get onto one hip while seated if possible, but do not under any circumstances do anything to pull those cheeks apart. I relied, and still do, on a sitz bath that sits in/on a toilet seat extension so it was not necessary to bend down so far. Also, I recommend getting a lightweight shower chair, without arms. Pull it up in front of the toilet so the bag hangs over the water when seated and take care of business. You may want to consider using a disposable urinal thingy for a while. That throne seat pulls things apart in a very unpleasant way.

Best wishes from the PNW and hang in there. Write anytime!

Stomerd
Nov 27, 2024 11:16 pm

Hi,

Everybody heals differently because of the nature of where the wound is; it can take time. Mine took 6 months. I sat lopsided to release the pressure and slept on my back. I had a table chair next to the bed with a high back against the bed to help with getting up, avoiding sliding off the bum when getting up. I also dried the wound properly and carefully with a hair dryer after washing to avoid creating a breeding ground for bacteria. Have a good diet and keep moving too. Easier said than done, I know, but you need to keep the circulation going. I am now probably the fittest I've ever been, back to running and gym/carefully riding dirt bikes. You will get there. 😀

 

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Shamrock
Nov 28, 2024 1:06 am

I don't know why with an ileostomy and a near flush stoma that they would suggest not sleeping on one's back. Perhaps it was because of the other surgery areas.

With a convex, yes, the belt will pull onto the wafer and even cause granuloma to form.

My tip is this since I suffer from the same problem.

1: Use a pillow under each arm to keep you from rolling onto either side. The left side is often weaker as the belt crosses a larger flatter area of the body. On the right side, it pulls down harder causing the wafer to irritate the skin and cause granuloma to form. The belt should be snug, not tight.

2: Use pillows or a wedge to have your upper body slightly elevated so output from your stoma drains to the bottom of the bag instead of pooling around the stoma.

3: Eat from 8 am to 2 pm with a good bag on. This way your stoma calms down before bedtime. After 2, eat only small snacks.

 

[b]Signs of a clogged stoma.[/b]

No output or only watery output under pressure for a few hours after eating. Could be caused by a covered stoma by improper application of an appliance, typically hole is cut too small or too much paste. Also could be caused by eating hard food. Seek treatment by an emergency room, remove appliance if necessary and wait. If clogged, severe pain will eventually appear which hopefully will clear itself. If not, a trip to surgery would be necessary. Unfortunately, very high and frequent output will ensue after clearing for quite some time which will likely make putting on a replacement appliance difficult. Use stool thickening tactics (below). If going to an ER, bring your own ostomy gear and a change of clothes as the hospital likely doesn't carry or doesn't know how.

 

[b]What is "pancaking?"[/b]

Pancaking occurs when a vacuum in the bag (likely due to a clogged filter) or super thick stool blocks stool from depositing to the bottom of the bag. This can force the bag off and cause leaks. Controlling what one eats and by mixing and consuming stool thickening and stool softening foods at the same time to get a balance.

 

[b]What is "ballooning?"[/b]

Ballooning occurs when foods eaten produce too much gas and the filter gets clogged (likely due to laying down) and thus forces the bag off and causes leaks.

 

These two conditions can cause premature bag replacement and leaks which burn the skin. It's better to replace the appliance if there is any continuous stinging pain, don't just live with it. Keep an eye on your ostomy supply and have ample reserves.

 

I've found that caffeine, in coffee, tea, and even chocolate causes diarrhea and can assist in controlling flow so stool is more liquid. However, coffee makes output very acidic making burns worse. Dried Chinese Crispy Noodles, Cheerios, or applesauce (peeled apples) are the exact opposite, a stool thickening food. By mixing these with other foods one can manipulate their stool output and counter the issues above. Also, the severe thickening helps in cases where one has severe diarrhea and is unable to reattach a new bag due to high flow.

 

[b]Eating Guide[/b]

Partially copied from my nutritionist's guide. Ileostomy Nutrition Therapy from the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. (This handout may be duplicated for client education.)

My recommendation is to see a nutritionist for the full guide as not all can be pasted here.

I've added my own observations to further clarify.

Chew all foods well to the consistency of paste.

[b]Foods That May Cause Blockage (very bad avoid!)[/b]

Apples, unpeeled (unpeeled and applesauce are excellent thickeners, don't eat the core, chew well)

Bean sprouts

Cabbage, raw

Casing on sausage (inside fine if no tough parts, avoid swallowing if a chunk is felt)

Celery (avoid)

Chinese vegetables (stir-fried crunchy, too hard, need soft veggies with no skins)

Coconut

Coleslaw

Corn (grits also, corn anything doesn't seem to dissolve in the stomach)

Cucumbers (skins bad, inside chewed up good seems okay, no seeds)

Dried fruit, raisins

Grapes

Green peppers (red, yellow also) pureed or very very small seems okay in small amounts

Mushrooms (doesn't dissolve in the stomach) pureed or very very small seems okay in small amounts

Nuts (totally avoid)

Peas (mushy interior okay, like pea soup, skins a problem)

Pickles (skins a problem, inside if chewed up good seems okay, seeds not)

Pineapple (liquid okay, mushy parts fine, hard parts not, tricky)

Popcorn (totally avoid)

Relishes and olives

Salad greens (diarrhea nightmare too)

Seeds and nuts (avoid)

Spinach (doesn't digest, pureed perhaps)

Tough, fibrous meats (for example, steak on grill, well done, tough parts especially)

Vegetable and fruit skins, (any avoid)

Whole grains (no grits, oatmeal seems to be okay, Cheerios is an excellent thickener)

[b]Foods That May Cause Gas or Odor[/b]

Alcohol

Apples

Asparagus (stink)

Bananas

Beer

Broccoli (clog hazard)

Brussels sprouts (clog hazard)

Cabbage (clog hazard)

Carbonated beverages

Cauliflower

Cheese, some types

Corn (clog hazard)

Cucumber

Dairy products

Dried beans and peas (clog hazard)

Eggs (don't digest in the stomach)

Fatty foods

Fish (cooked salmon in small portions may not, nor stink)

Grapes

Green pepper (red and yellow also, clog hazard)

Melons

Onions (clog hazard)

Peanuts (clog hazard)

Prunes

Radishes

Turnips

Soda and sipping using straws, (drink from glass instead)

Seafood (oh God does it stink!)

If you're having pancaking issues, a small amount of something above (like having a soda during a meal) could introduce some air into your diet and thus into the bag. Also, by avoiding too much thickening foods by themselves which often contribute to pancaking.

[b]Foods That May Help Relieve Gas and Odor[/b]

Buttermilk

Cranberry juice

Parsley

Yogurt with active cultures (Greek yogurt)

[b]Foods That May Cause Diarrhea (looser or more frequent stool)[/b]

Alcohol (including beer)

Apricots (and stone fruits)

Beans, baked or legumes

Bran

Broccoli

Brussels sprouts

Cabbage

Caffeinated drinks (especially hot)

Chocolate

Corn (in my experience corn anything doesn't digest in the stomach, just passed through and out, kernels/popcorn will clog)

Fried meats, fish, poultry (KFC, supermarket rotisserie chicken very bad, anything soaked in brine)

Fruit juice: apple, grape, orange (small amount okay)

Fruit: fresh, canned, or dried (small amount okay)

Glucose-free foods containing mannitol or sorbitol

Gum, sugar-free

High-fat foods

High-sugar foods

High salt foods (KFC, supermarket rotisserie chicken)

High seasoned foods (blackened)

Licorice

Milk and dairy foods (small amounts okay)

Nuts or seeds (bad, clog hazard)

Peaches (stone fruit, one rarely okay)

Peas

Plums (stone fruit)

Prune juice or prunes

Soup

Spicy foods

Sugar-free substitutes

Tomatoes

Turnip greens/green leafy vegetables, raw

Wheat/whole grains

Wine

Rice (1/4 cup mixed in food okay), refried beans (1/4 cup okay), pasta (one cup max).

Any foods soaked in brine or fried (rotisserie chicken, Kentucky fried chicken, etc)

[b]Foods That May Help Thicken Stool[/b]

Applesauce (unpeeled apples, no cores)

Bananas

Barley (when OK to have fiber)

Cheese (cheese food may be a clog problem, use real cheese)

Dried Chinese Crispy Noodles (severe thickening, mix with other food that causes diarrhea)

Marshmallows

Oatmeal (when OK to have fiber)

Pasta (sauces may increase symptoms) (in my experience more than a cup of pasta causes diarrhea)

Peanut butter, creamy only, nuts clog (makes skin oily)

Potatoes, no skin (skin clogs, more than a cup causes diarrhea)

Pretzels (salty may cause more flow water consumption)

Metamucil, mix or crackers (mix in a cup of water and drink before it gels up)

I'm adding to this list based upon experience.

IGGIE
Nov 28, 2024 1:35 pm

G-Day Anne, I have stopped wearing a belt with my Hollister two-piece because it pulled the flange out of shape and it leaked. But sleeping on your back is not a great idea as it makes the output pool around the stoma and can give you problems. I hope you have a good stoma nurse. Regards, IGGIE

Anne_Shirley
Nov 28, 2024 7:33 pm
Reply to AlexT

I feel like all I want to do is sleep. I get up and take a lap or two around the house, and of course bathroom and whatnot, but I've basically been in bed. I want to get up more but I don't have the energy.

I'm just so paranoid!

AlexT
Nov 28, 2024 10:59 pm
Reply to Anne_Shirley

Your body went through a lot; it takes time to get back to whatever your normal is. Take a lap one day, two the next, and build your body back up. You're not just going to wake up one day and go for 14 hours straight, baby steps.