Hollister 2 pc Mystery Leak

Well, I’ve made it through the 1st week of being an ostomate🤪. I was sent home with a 2 pc Hollister bag. The thin plastic and accordion has  been giving me issues.
It’s applied properly with an Eakin seal and no leaks that I can see. I’ve had to change the bag everyday for the past 3 days. Something is definitely seeping out somewhere. 

Apparently my black Lab knew something wasn’t right ,also. She kept sniffing me and sat down really close to me and stared🤦‍♀️

I have samples of the Coloplast Mio Click, so I took my “99th shower “ and applied it. Hopefully, it holds up through the night.

My 1st supply order is coming tomorrow with all of these Hollister bags🤦‍♀️ I did order some Coloplast bags, just to have some, thankfully. 

Has anyone else had issues with the Hollister 2pc?

Good luck on your new adventure.   Suggest you also try ConvaTec-   🌈

As you are learning you know that . Education is key on this new journey of yours.   I suggest you check out UOAA, United Ostomy Association of America. It’s our National organization.  Also , Ostomy101.com .  You will learn about foods, blockages, skin care, clothing , Ostomy products, travel, activities ,exercise and a whole host of other tricks of the trade.   You might also want to check out a local support group near you .   you see from your posts you are not alone on this new journey of yours. Always remember that Wearing a pouch does not and will not define whom you are.  There are solutions if down the road you get frustrated.We’re here for you . Best of luck. 🌈

Hello,

I have a colostomy.  I've only used Hollister 2 piece.  It was put on me in the hospital after surgery.  So I continue to use this.  

Never had a leak or bag blowout.  I've had some really full bags... that held.  I always wear a Nu-Hope Corp. support belt.

To reinforce the velcro type drain closure, I always use an IGGIE clip.  This clip tightly holds the drain shut.

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Can use 2

Just fold up the bottom 1 turn, put on clip.

The clip is available at any office supply store or Walmart.  

Also slightly decreases bag length.  Great for a little guy like me.  Before I used the clip, the bag bottom would "peek out" at the bottom of my shirt.   My wife would point it out all the time.  Shorter shirts... I fold up the the drain 2 times.

Hello KDP.
I use a 2 piece setup but, because irrigate, I don't (generally) have a problem with output and leaks.
However, what I have noticed is that the thin plastic gets a hairline split at the point where pressure is exerted when I take the bag off and put it on.
Sometimes this happens  on the very first time I change and I cannot see the split properly until a few changes later because it is not big enough. 
If I can get the hand of this technology, I'll try to post a picture.
Best wishes

Bill

How to Manage Ostomy Leaks with LeeAnne Hayden | Hollister

If by removing the entire appliance u can look at the barrier ring and see where the leak stems from, u can get an idea where on yur body the leak is forming.

Using a  clock face for example..and looking at o ring..is the leak at 12..or 6? 3 or 9?  From the bottom at 6 are where it leaks alot. Mine happen at 3 and 9 alot. Bad adhesion and bending causes this.

The mio is a great wafer idea.

The 5 finger design holds much better in my opinion. 

Hi KDP,

  Not sure I'm following you.  You don't have any leaks but you're changing your bag because your dog smells something???  Dogs have an incredible sense of smell, about 10,000 to 100,000 times better than ours.........so they can smell you a mile away even if you have no leaks.  Especially if your bag is vented!!  If when you change your barrier you don't find any evidence of an actual leak........don't change it so frequently and your skin will love you for it.  Fido will get used to the smell, and no human will ever be able to tell.  If there is a leak then be very observant when you remove your barrier and find out where it's coming from.  But unless I'm missing something........you're making a problem where none exists.  If I'm getting something wrong please let me know.

;O) 

Yes, the two piece Hollister "click" tends to separate bag from wafer and leak.

I thought my leaks was from underneath where wafer meets skin for the longest time because spew would reach the skin and burn hiding the real source of the problem.

I started super glueing the two piece into a one piece and the problem disappeared to use up the remaining supply and then switched to a one piece  Coloplast Sensura Mio convex and my life got a whole lot better. Their Velcro tabs extend to the left and right and out of the way of spew, no need for a clamp. 

I hear their two piece actually has a clamp or locking mechanism but never tried it out since the one piece is a heck of a lot cheaper and I learned to wash the bag using antibacterial dish soap while on the toilet and change both bag and wafer every 4-7 days at the same time. So a two piece didn't make much sense to me with a Ileostomy but perhaps with a colonoscopy it's different situation.

You can horizontally weaken the one piece wafer so it's not stiff when you bend over some like when getting up etc but I would avoid bending over completely, a lot depends how strong your wafer is adhered to your skin to bend the wafer,  why I use paste and mix a little stoma powder to get it to hyperactivate to set harder and faster.

I think the Hollister ecosystem are made cheaper to be used more in volume and disposable like what occurs in many hospitals as nurses tend to change the wafer more often (due to having to look or scabs from healing) and don't (or can't) wash/replace the bag as the patient is bed ridden and winds up leaking regardless. But once outside a much more durable and patient comfortable bag and wafer is better and in my experience Coloplast is the best of the major three for long term comfort.

And I'm sorry to say (gross content warning!) that dogs sometimes eat their own fecees and racoons would tear through my garbage to get to my used bags to eat them. So perhaps yours is wondering why you haven't eaten that food laying on your chest. 😆 

I would, after taking off your used wafer, to rinse it outside or into the toilet some and have a look at the areas and around your cleaned off stoma to discover areas where leaks are occurring. 

Sorry if I appeared gross and caused anyone to lose their lunch. 😢 

At this hour? 5 a.m. ? That would be losing breakfast, dude. 🤮 not lunch.😆

I'm hungry early in the morning because I don't eat a big dinner to avoid messy issues and frequent toilet visits during the night.

No, I am not changing my bag because of my dog. That is ludicrous 🤦‍♀️Of course, she can smell things that I can’t, especially having a “well known” keen sense of smell. I only mentioned her to reiterate and confirm what I was smelling. I’ve been fine up until 3 days ago. The bags I was given by the hospital , were taken out of an unknown box and randomly placed in a clear bag. It could possibly be just a bad batch🤷‍♀️.

Coloplast MIO click went well last night. It feels so much more secure than the Hollister. The plastic around the ring seems more durable.

Not gross at all👍🏼

That makes a lot of sense regarding why Hollister bags are made from cheaper materials and why most hospitals are contracted with them. 

It seems your all knocking Hollister, but I have been using Hollister for a good few years now and never had a problem.  Remember we are all different and what is good for one is bad for another. Try all the brands and then make your own opinion. Process of elimination.

Regards IGGIE Jingle Bells all the way.

That's good to hear, keep me updated on that because I may switch to using a two piece one day. 

Like when I invent a homemade bag washer. Because this washing of the bag at each dump is getting old already. Be faster to just switch them out like others do.

And Hollister, it seems, makes products for a particular market, hospitals on tight budgets. Nothing wrong with that. 

The second hospital I went to, where they used Coloplast and a lot more experienced, was much better than my first, but a lot more expensive.

If I didn't go to the better hospital I would have likely still suffered with allergic reactions to Adapt alcohol based paste and Hollisters adhesives. Likely wound up shooting myself in the head. 😆 

My thought at the time was, if the hospital uses them then it must be good. 

I guess you get what you pay for and it does pay to shop around to see what works for you.

Yeah.......but you use office supplies to keep your Hollister bags closed.  I'd say you had at least ONE problem!

;O)

I use the IGGIE clip on my Hollister bags when I roll them up to keep them shorter than the bottom of my shirt.  I haven’t had any problems with leakage from the bottom of the bags since I’ve been using them for 7 months.

I have tried to put the photos on here but not having a lot of luck!
Then, all of a sudden it worked! - Then it didn't - I am now giving up and will try to post them on my profile.
You will see that the split in the rim of the bag is not visible until it is forced open. Nonetheless, it is/was  quite capable of creating a leak without me knowing from where.
Best wishes

Bill


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hello beach boy, i to use the 2 piece holister , had 2 leaks ,one in the hospital and one at home prior on being “educated “ 🙂 i put barrier strips around the wafer and i clip my bottom up with a bobby pin!! i can,t use the clip, i am petite and old and arthritis fingers ~~~ need to become a member and love this site and i really enjoy your “adventures” . especially the one about the “ missippi mud”😂😂

When emptying your bag it is very important that you clean the area were the bag is clipped/velcroed thoroughly. If it's velcroed it can be problematic to clean — if not clean you will get a smell.

There are three major vendors of ostomy appliances — Coloplast, ConvaTec, and Hollister. They all make 1 and 2-piece appliances. Convatec and Hollister both make adhesive coupled appliances also. They each have multiple families of appliances. Body type, stoma size/height, and adhesive skin sensitivity are factors that dictate what appliances work for you.

Depending on whether your ostomy will be permanent or temporary is a factor in how much testing you are willing to conduct. Since vendors supply free samples you should plan to test products from all three vendors. If temporary, once you find a product that works you can stop testing. If permanent you owe it to yourself to test products from all three vendors even if you encounter an appliance that works — just because a product works does not mean another one will not work better. I tried multiple products from ConvaTec while in the hospital and additional products from ConvaTec and Hollister while in a rehab facility. Since being home I have also tried multiple appliances from Coloplast. All three vendors make barrier rings, try them all not just ConvaTec's Eakin. You can also sample barrier extenders to further enhance your adhesion.

The one thing I have found to be indispensable is a support belt. All three vendors sell support belts. They generally are of the 1 in width variety. I prefer belts 2 in wide and I wear a belt 24-7.

Don't forget a supportive wrap to hold that bag from bouncing around. Hate that. Jingle balls. 

Wraps available vertical or horizontal depending 1 or 2 piece appliance.  Yea nothing says warmth when poop is around yur side- horizontally in a wrap like that. 

My stoma is pretty high up on my abdomen so if I put on a tee shirt and insert it in my pants it stops the pouch from flopping around and doesn't inhibit the effluent from dropping to the bottom of the pouch.

That my friend is a tight squeeze. 😁

G-Day Bob,   I mainly use the IGGIE clip for shortening the bag, keeping it secured is a bonus. Regards IGGIE  have a great Christmas